People say 'Yes' to this? - Page 3

**A_Forever** · 10-25-2009, 10:21 PM

I suppose.. but any time someone says that, almost everyone disagrees.

I was trying to figure out another way of saying that and kind of trying to explain why. :/

I'm lazy. Leaving this discussion.

**Phantom Badger** · 10-25-2009, 10:23 PM

^ No.
As every single cell is living. Every step you take you kill stuff.
I think she means that it is not collectively considered a living being.
It is alive in the sense that it is not dead.
However I believe that it cannot be considered seperate from it's mother until it is born.

**Lirange** · 10-25-2009, 10:26 PM

Some people believes it becomes a living being once the sperm meets the egg, others when the baby is born. So if you believe it's when the sperm meets the egg, then abortion would be murder to you. If not, then abortion isn't. (Those are the two main arguments right?) And I believe it's when the sperm meets the egg, which is why I'm against abortion.

Edit: took me awhile to type that G__G.
@BDEX so would you also consider the egg as part of the hen?

**Hraesvelg** · 10-25-2009, 10:26 PM

It all comes down to when you consider the clump of tissues to move from fetus to baby.

Edit:

Originally Posted by Lirange

Some people believes it becomes a living being once the sperm meets the egg, others when the baby is born. So if you believe it's when the sperm meets the egg, then abortion would be murder to you. If not, then abortion isn't. (Those are the two main arguments right?) And I believe it's when the sperm meets the egg, which is why I'm against abortion.

If you consider that the point, then nature (or God, whatever actor you wish to chose) kills trillions all on it's own before it even implants into the uterus.

**Lirange** · 10-25-2009, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

If you consider that the point, then nature (or God, whatever actor you wish to chose) kills trillions all on it's own before it even implants into the uterus.

What?
Explain please.

**Hraesvelg** · 10-25-2009, 10:33 PM

How much do I have to explain? I'm sure there are some good online resources to show how the reproductive system works. Once the sperm and egg get together, the zygote has to move through the fallopian tubes and then implant on the lining of the uterus.

**Lirange** · 10-25-2009, 10:35 PM

Then where does the "trillions of death" come from?

**Phantom Badger** · 10-25-2009, 11:25 PM

...It's called a miscarriage o-o

And yes I would call the egg part of the hen, until the egg is external from the mother.

**Hessah** · 10-25-2009, 11:43 PM

I never thought that having an abortion is "wrong" because you're killing something, it's "wrong" because you're not taking responsibility for your actions. Which means if a baby was concieved by a rapist, I think the woman has every right to abort it.

We kill things everyday, a bug, a cow for beef, a pig for pork, a plant for vegetable... you better not be eating an egg coz that's killing a chick.

But yeah I agree with what Loki said, in the end it's up to the person living the situation to decide.

And whether the baby is a separate entity or not, the mother is most probably the one to look after it in the end, so you can't discount her decisions.

Jikanu · 10-26-2009, 01:21 PM

Adoption Agencies, anyone?

1% chance of the baby reaching happiness someday > 0% chance, in my belief.

personally, i think abortion should only be considered if the mother's life is directly at risk. there ARE adoption agencies out there. and besides, once you've had sex, you know what can happen. it's one of the risks you have to accept when you preform the act. :/