Starvation - Page 2

Jikanu · 06-04-2009, 02:46 PM

Im not an Anarchist Without Adjectives (i.e. pure anarchy) Im an Anarcho-Socialist. I believe in structure and rules, just that the people should be the authority figure, not the government.

And the same problem in africa is going on in native-american reservations... the rich families get benefits, and the poor get nothing :/

I hope that things arent always like this... *Sigh*

As for outsourcing... im not sure of my position on that quite yet. though i AM against the companies using it an excuse, it DOES do alot of good over there... perhaps if we came up with good new jobs here too, like building wind-energy generating turbines and maintaining them, it could kill two birds with one stone? wind energy's doing fantastically well in Spain right now, we need to catch up. And, while doing it, the economy could be stimulated.

**Yosei** · 06-04-2009, 05:35 PM

But a lot of people do not enjoy calling customer support for their whatever and they get a man with broken English, can barely understand what he's saying, but his name is "Bob".

I believe in helping home before going further. Why should we support other countries if we cannot support our own?

And Hrae wasn't calling you an anarchist, he said Africa is dominantly anarchy and libertarian.

aramil001 · 06-04-2009, 06:40 PM

Originally Posted by Yosei

But a lot of people do not enjoy calling customer support for their whatever and they get a man with broken English, can barely understand what he's saying, but his name is "Bob".

I believe in helping home before going further. Why should we support other countries if we cannot support our own?

And Hrae wasn't calling you an anarchist, he said Africa is dominantly anarchy and libertarian.

yes, well put. But now you can chat online with people, about problems, so it's harder to tell.

Jikanu · 06-04-2009, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by Yosei

But a lot of people do not enjoy calling customer support for their whatever and they get a man with broken English, can barely understand what he's saying, but his name is "Bob".

I believe in helping home before going further. Why should we support other countries if we cannot support our own?

And Hrae wasn't calling you an anarchist, he said Africa is dominantly anarchy and libertarian.

But he was asking why i didnt like how it was over there, due to it's anarchistic ways. It's not an organized anarchy over there, but Chaos. those two things are mistaken for each other far too often...

**Hraesvelg** · 06-04-2009, 09:57 PM

Organized anarchy? You must be joking. That type of thing would only work on a very small-scale. Once a disagreement rears its head, the strongest wins.

**Yosei** · 06-04-2009, 10:10 PM

Some people do not like the idea of being rules by someone or a group of people being in charge. Some don't even like democracy, because either way, someones in charge, and you still lose out, especially when you have an opinion opposite of the majority.

Many countries in Africa DO NOT believe in the same things Americans do. In a country, there are smaller communities who believe in things like Hrae mentioned. There are little tribes/villages who have come together and made up their own laws, rules, etc, because they are just a small group of people who believe in similar stuff. Many tribes are ENEMIES. If you do not believe in what they do, or you come trying to change their views, they probably wouldn't like you or even consider anything you say. Hell, some might even chase you out or kill you. But I'm not going to stereotype.

People just have different beliefs =/ some would rather starve to death then have to listen to some authority figure. And some just aren't developing or believe in democracy, equality and rights like America and other developed countries do. I mean sheesh, the apartheid wasn't that long ago, and the Berlin wall went down the year I was born.

Jikanu · 06-04-2009, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

Organized anarchy? You must be joking. That type of thing would only work on a very small-scale. Once a disagreement rears its head, the strongest wins.

Not neccesarilly. Numbers > Strength. 50 guys with sticks beat 1 guy with a shotgun. As long as the majority is good at heart, the few evil ones will never win.

And we could always try City States again. i once again ask you, what about Athens?

Originally Posted by Yosei

Some people do not like the idea of being rules by someone or a group of people being in charge. Some don't even like democracy, because either way, someones in charge, and you still lose out, especially when you have an opinion opposite of the majority.

Many countries in Africa DO NOT believe in the same things Americans do. In a country, there are smaller communities who believe in things like Hrae mentioned. There are little tribes/villages who have come together and made up their own laws, rules, etc, because they are just a small group of people who believe in similar stuff. Many tribes are ENEMIES. If you do not believe in what they do, or you come trying to change their views, they probably wouldn't like you or even consider anything you say. Hell, some might even chase you out or kill you. But I'm not going to stereotype.

People just have different beliefs =/ some would rather starve to death then have to listen to some authority figure. And some just aren't developing or believe in democracy, equality and rights like America and other developed countries do. I mean sheesh, the apartheid wasn't that long ago, and the Berlin wall went down the year I was born.

I believe that ideal was acctually expressed by aesop... either him or another one of the early writers... i believe it was said in the moral "Better to starve free than to live as a well fed slave". But i wonder, why not have the best of both? why not live well-fed and free? i dont see why anarcho socialism, once in place, wouldnt work :/

**Yosei** · 06-04-2009, 10:29 PM

Nothing comes free.

Being COMPLETELY free means completely sticking up for yourself. And that means finding food and shelter.

Anarchosocialism sounds a bit like an oxymoron.

Anarchy- anti government and establishment.
Socialism- government essentially runs the economy.

**Hraesvelg** · 06-04-2009, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by Jikanu

Not neccesarilly. Numbers > Strength. 50 guys with sticks beat 1 guy with a shotgun. As long as the majority is good at heart, the few evil ones will never win.

You realize we're not living in a storybook, right? The force of good and evil are nice little ideas, but they are only as good as our definitions of such. What you consider good and evil may be polar opposite of what someone else believes is good and evil. "As long as the majority is good at heart" is way too optimistic to me. I live in the real world.

Jikanu · 06-04-2009, 10:31 PM

Pfft. you're trying to make it seem like im living a little story book life. i assure you, im not.

However, im speaking of good and evil in the sense of the obvious: murdering people, for example, is evil. The less obvious things, the people will have to vote on. Athens.