What exactly constitutes kill stealing? - Page 2

Eru · 06-20-2008, 03:05 PM

Originally Posted by Hessah

In Fiesta... As long as that person has the aggro first, the mob is theirs..

Doesnt matter what class they are. I'm a cleric and if I aggroed 10 mobs then they're all mine unless I ask for help.

No such thing as spot claiming. Again, whoever got the aggro first, gets the mob. But as courtesy you don't go invading a space that someone is already grinding in.

AOE party get watever they aggro first.

Basically, when you hit a mob that's already hitting someone else, you're KSing. Doesnt matter if they're in party or wat class they are.

Uhm...I thought I read somewhere that it was the first person to deal damage, not draw aggro?

I also thought when i read that, that it made sense because the exp cut resulting from a KS is due to damage, not aggro. Also, isn't who gets the first moments "rights" to the drops based on damage?

I dun suppose there is some "official-ish" Fiesta/Outspark definition somewhere?

**ThievingSix** · 06-20-2008, 03:18 PM

As per the cleric pulls, I worded it in a way I didn't mean to an extent. If they didn't pull on purpose, is how it should have been said.

**Lady-Loki** · 06-20-2008, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by ThievingSix

As per the cleric pulls, I worded it in a way I didn't mean to an extent. If they didn't pull on purpose, is how it should have been said.

Yeah, I was gonna say the whole discussion is vague based on the OP since the use of "pull" could be considered pulling mobs with the intent to kill or pulling aggro because the mob spawned close to where you are. And many times pulling aggro was unintentional.

As a rule I do not attack mobs someone is pulling to kill but if I see a spawn and attack, but at the same moment the mob targets a nearby <insert any class>, I do not consider that to be KS'ing, but I have had one or two people jump and holler Don't KS! I usually think to myself kiss my ass, it wasn't yours. And I have been on my cleric and a spawn has targeted me while I had another mob engaged and I was glad someone pulled it off me.

As for the rights to the drop - not sure. I thought at a time it was most damage, then I thought first hit and at another time I thought kill shot.

**ThievingSix** · 06-20-2008, 03:45 PM

it is very vague! That is the exact reason I wanted more of peoples opinions on the Title of this thread.

**viasta** · 06-20-2008, 06:11 PM

In my opinion, KS is when you are attacking a mob and another person outside of your party comes and kills it while you are attacking/aoeing. Doesn't matter if he saw it first, he selected it first, it was in his spot, or it was attacking him. If you hit it first, it's your kill, someone comes to kill it while you are attacking, it's a KS.

Eru · 06-20-2008, 07:16 PM

Originally Posted by viasta

In my opinion, KS is when you are attacking a mob and another person outside of your party comes and kills it while you are attacking/aoeing. Doesn't matter if he saw it first, he selected it first, it was in his spot, or it was attacking him. If you hit it first, it's your kill, someone comes to kill it while you are attacking, it's a KS.

so its hit-based? not aggro-based?

bloodrops · 06-20-2008, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Hessah

In Fiesta... As long as that person has the aggro first, the mob is theirs..

Doesnt matter what class they are. I'm a cleric and if I aggroed 10 mobs then they're all mine unless I ask for help.

I see many have disagreed with this, and I will have to too - though many might find it pointless or whatever...

I've once been told not to KS when I tried to help (to me, it was helping the guy with the aggro, because his HP kept on decreasing rapidly and I didn't want to just be healing that guy) by taking down mobs one by one. As long as one didn't deliberately pull all the mobs, I think anyone has the right to take mobs with good intentions. However, the story changed when it comes to taking mobs by mock or other mages' archers' aoe skills, that's just plain rude and IS KSing.

I think if you are aggrevating, and don't want anyone taking your mobs, you should tell in advance...:/ before others come and take them I mean, you can turn your views around, right? Something like "No thanks, I'll be fine, leave the mobs on me" would be polite enough...Same for many others.

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Originally Posted by ThievingSix

it is very vague! That is the exact reason I wanted more of peoples opinions on the Title of this thread.

Yep...since the 'definition' of KS isn't defined anywhere really...and because we all have different ways of looking at it....:S Misunderstanding is very easily done.

Originally Posted by Eruantien

so its hit-based? not aggro-based?

I think he was just talking about the other person attacking your mob is KSing no matter the other person saw that mob and decided to kill it, not aggrevating it etc...

Eru · 06-20-2008, 07:57 PM

Originally Posted by bloodrops

I think he was just talking about the other person attacking your mob is KSing no matter the other person saw that mob and decided to kill it, not aggrevating it etc...

whoa! tripple post! check out the [edit] button or the [quote+] option on the bottom of the posts bud

anyhow, I'm still curious myself if most ppl consider it a KS if you kill something that someone else has aggro from, or if a more "purest" view is its only KSing if you *hit* the same monster while not in a pty.

The way I see it, other than potential rudeness, you arent really harming anyone if you simply attack a monster that is aggroed on someone else that they have not hit yet. To me it becomes "stealing" when you hit the monster they have hit coz that reduces the exp for them.

Otherwise, what are you really "stealing"...aggro? That seems silly as its sorta part of the game.

**Hraesvelg** · 06-20-2008, 08:15 PM

My general rule of thumb is...don't interfere unless asked.

If I happen to have a few monsters around me attacking me, I'm taking damage from them. I'm investing pots/stones into repairing that damage. If someone comes along and takes one of the "extra" ones attacking me, I've lost that investment of stones/pots by way of losing the return, the EXP/drops. If I have aggro, they're mine. Get your own.

Eru · 06-20-2008, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Hraesvelg

My general rule of thumb is...don't interfere unless asked.

If I happen to have a few monsters around me attacking me, I'm taking damage from them. I'm investing pots/stones into repairing that damage. If someone comes along and takes one of the "extra" ones attacking me, I've lost that investment of stones/pots by way of losing the return, the EXP/drops. If I have aggro, they're mine. Get your own.

good point!

This is the best argument I've hard for the aggro-based KSing!